tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post7238642771007386037..comments2024-03-29T00:47:53.200-07:00Comments on BIODIVERSIVIST: Climate Debate ApogeeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-7601693959128860022010-04-09T15:24:02.622-07:002010-04-09T15:24:02.622-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-15558511011807075192010-04-09T08:29:59.683-07:002010-04-09T08:29:59.683-07:00".. Then you are uninformed and cannot claim ...<i>".. Then you are uninformed and cannot claim to understand the issues.."</i><br /><br />I'm not uninformed and I most certainly do understand the issues. You are extremely well informed. It just happens to be the wrong information.<br /><br /><i>".. I always go to alarmist sources to understand the alarmist argument.."</i><br /><br />Excuse me, coffee just came out my Russ Finleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509704979878559600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-65296744056951295602010-04-08T21:03:25.869-07:002010-04-08T21:03:25.869-07:00You say:
"I read and understand the argument...You say:<br /><br />"I read and understand the arguments of the critic's critics."<br /><br />Then you are uninformed and cannot claim to understand the issues. I always go to alarmist sources to understand the alarmist argument. I do not rely on what sceptics say the alarmists say.<br /><br />"I have not called critics stupid (whatever that means exactly) or ignorant." <Ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-19100176538544416692010-04-08T20:16:22.158-07:002010-04-08T20:16:22.158-07:00Raven said...
"I suggest to take the time to...Raven said...<br /><br /><i>"I suggest to take the time to learn about groupthink"</i><br /><br />How does group think apply to the theory of evolution, and which group would it apply to?<br /><br /><i>"The fact that you refuse to read and understand the arguments of critics and insist on charactizing them as stupid or ignorant"</i><br /><br />I read and understand the Russ Finleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509704979878559600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-69054606592612666272010-04-08T19:41:59.434-07:002010-04-08T19:41:59.434-07:00I suggest to take the time to learn about groupthi...I suggest to take the time to learn about groupthink:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink<br /><br />All eight symptoms are painfully evident in the climate science field. <br /><br />The fact that you refuse to read and understand the arguments of critics and insist on charactizing them as stupid or ignorant (see symptom #4) shows you are also entrapped by group think.<br /><br />Ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-30536293695610019922010-04-08T18:04:17.692-07:002010-04-08T18:04:17.692-07:00"Have you taken the time to look carefully at..."<i>Have you taken the time to look carefully at the arguments raised on the science centered sceptical blogs like Climate Audit?"</i><br /><br />No. I go directly to the science centered blogs that debunk what is found at places like Climate Audit. It saves time.<br /><br /><i>"Have you taken the time to understand the hockey stick and cru debates from the POV of SteveMc or RossMcRuss Finleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509704979878559600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-19585106780667432802010-04-07T21:56:40.589-07:002010-04-07T21:56:40.589-07:00Russ,
Have you taken the time to look carefully a...Russ,<br /><br />Have you taken the time to look carefully at the arguments raised on the science centered sceptical blogs like Climate Audit?<br /><br />Have you taken the time to understand the hockey stick and cru debates from the POV of SteveMc or RossMc? <br /><br />I get the impression that you simply get your information from places like RC and never even consider the possibility that Ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-44527432302236143082010-04-07T18:53:17.179-07:002010-04-07T18:53:17.179-07:00Raven, I tend to agree with your concerns about th...Raven, I tend to agree with your concerns about the potential ramifications of having our inept government try to solve a problem this big and complex.<br /><br />That seems to me to be what motivates most skeptics. They deal with that concern by refusing to accept the science. Sounds dumb but that's why most people go to church, to reserve a spot in the afterlife.<br /><br />If you were to Russ Finleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509704979878559600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-21112256039676610802010-04-07T14:56:14.121-07:002010-04-07T14:56:14.121-07:00So what if the establishment turns out to be right...So what if the establishment turns out to be right 99 times out of 100? That is no excuse for dismissing critics simply because they do not agree with the establisment. Too much is at stake to ignore the possibility that this is the 1 in 100 scenario where the experts are wrong.<br /><br />The way to resolve these disputes is to look for evidence that can independently verified and is not subjectRavennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-62015508778209048502010-04-07T14:29:39.943-07:002010-04-07T14:29:39.943-07:00Let me quote you, Raven:
"It is quite a redi...Let me quote you, Raven:<br /><br /><i>"It is quite a rediculous position to take given the number of times the non-establishment critics have turned out to be correct."</i><br /><br />Now,change the word "correct" to the word "wrong."<br /><br />Doesn't it bother you that 99 times out of 100 they turn out to be wrong, which is the whole premise with the Grist Russ Finleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509704979878559600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-22950245519408037152010-04-07T12:42:03.027-07:002010-04-07T12:42:03.027-07:00I am always amused at the blind arrogance of peopl...I am always amused at the blind arrogance of people who dismiss critics simply because they are not part of the establishment.<br /><br />It is quite a rediculous position to take given the number of times the non-establishment critics have turned out to be correct.<br /><br />That is why I look for verifiable physical evidence that is not subject to interpretation by people who may or may not beRavennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3720983493149160502.post-10669380217735380392010-04-04T07:51:43.420-07:002010-04-04T07:51:43.420-07:00Is it the willful ignorance that feeds ignorance b...Is it the willful ignorance that feeds ignorance based media, or media that feeds ignorance? Both.<br /><br />Media that reinforces ignorance gets higher ratings and therefore has more resources. Most people resent media that aims to educate and inform because of the implication that their beliefs are uniformed and/or just plain wrong.<br /><br />Communication is a battlefield. A status seekingamazingdrxnoreply@blogger.com